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I_Am_Train

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Holy shit, this is one of the worst idea's I have heard, due to a lack of PD activity and training, criminal rp'ers are getting fucked again.
Gun on gun action with PD = CK
SWAT = CK
Got away more than 3 time = CK
Smashing you car to fast = CK

The advice criminal are getting now is "Yeah, yano the way your roleplaying as a criminal and criminals dont like getting caught and going to jail, yeah just give up."
*Clap* *Clap*

The cops vs robbers aspect of the game was one of the only incentives to the game and general rp, from what I seen there is no more business rp, factions are no longer gangs, just a channel for people to speak OOC in group privately and there appears to be a lack of PD and training. Making it harder for common players (criminals) is not the answer to dealing with the lack of rules that are in place to help users play freely and with fun.

Tbh CK are not even a problem for people, gotta love them stat transfers.
 
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hopzzz

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Alright I didn't explain it right so I will do it again.

It means that 3 major incidents must happen before you get this Wanted Crminal tag on you. That means being in a shootout with cops and surviving / escpaing while leaving bodies behind. Also in a shootout - 2 cops atleast.

You all think criminal life is hard now and its easy shit for cops. Are you kidding me? Police is getting popped every single day just because they were doing their job.

If it was a real-life situation I think it would something like was happening during Escobar time in Colombia. Just niggas driving around and shooting cops whenever they feel like it.(-start getting in pursuits to kill them).
And since the playerbase isnt that high, there are literally more criminals than PD's. Im favoring the PD on this side.
Also every single "criminal" has a V16 engine now and they can easily evade the cops. Like everyone knows this, so stop telling me that PDs life is so great.

When you have killed 6 officers of the law already you have a name-tag on yourself on LSPD HQ's. This is not a joke anymore.

Luka - You see every single criminal has a reason to evade and then start a shootout - because they have illegal firearms on them.

Why are you saying PD has a free chance to murder you now? You won't get CKd at all if you just take the arrest instead of shooting them.
They have no reason at all when you don't give them one. It's all on your hands.

Also if you give yourself up, you will lose your wanted status. That means spending 24 hours behind bars.
 
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I_Am_Train

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We understand the concept of the rule, we just dont like it.

You all think criminal life is hard now and its easy shit for cops. Are you kidding me? Police is getting popped every single day just because they were doing their job.
I have played as both a cop and a criminal and YES, a thousand time yes. A cops rp life is so much more easier. They dont have to source their own weapons, they dont have to pay for their cars, damages, speeding fines. Cops dont have to worry about money IC'ly as the cop life has most of what it needs provided to them.
With Stat Transfers, CK's for cops is less than an inconvenience, getting back the rank and privileges that was "lost".

And since the playerbase isnt that high, there are literally more criminals than PD's. Im favoring the PD on this side.
The lack of a playerbase is not a valid reason to introduce rules to discourage players from RP'ing as one of the most rp friendly sides of the server. Your not the first or in my opinion last staff member to favor the PD, its been done in the past and now your adding more reasons as to why another channel of rp will be slowly killed off.

Why are you saying PD has a free chance to murder you now? You won't get CKd at all if you just take the arrest instead of shooting them.
They have no reason at all when you don't give them one. It's all on your hands.
Again, no criminal wants to go to jail. Maybe if you tried to introduce RP within the prision instead of taking away from the rp that those criminals can do outside, you would see the result you wish.
But this way is easier, less work and and solves the "problem" you have within a day of posting to the forums.
 

hopzzz

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I have played as both a cop and a criminal and YES, a thousand time yes. A cops rp life is so much more easier. They dont have to source their own weapons, they dont have to pay for their cars, damages, speeding fines. Cops dont have to worry about money IC'ly as the cop life has most of what it needs provided to them.
With Stat Transfers, CK's for cops is less than an inconvenience, getting back the rank and privileges that was "lost".

Are you really telling me its hard to get weapons for illegals? Most of them have 20 M4 and 100 ammopacks in their safe. Ffs they even have RPGs.
-How come that every single illegal have atleast 1 V16 Sultan and PD only V12 Cruisers and few HSU's. Most of the evasions end in criminal escaping OR in a shootout where cops die. Don't give me "PD life is easy cus they dont have to pay speeding fines", dont speed if you dont want speeding fines. You don't have to buy fancy cars to live off, with current economy making few trips from SF to LS with a truck and you can afford a suitable vehicle.
-Damages, YES, you are right every single PD alt currently made PD alt becuase they didn't want to pay that $250 in insurance. -_- That takes most of the profit from criminals, I feel bad for them.



The lack of a playerbase is not a valid reason to introduce rules to discourage players from RP'ing as one of the most rp friendly sides of the server. Your not the first or in my opinion last staff member to favor the PD, its been done in the past and now your adding more reasons as to why another channel of rp will be slowly killed off.

I agree it is not the reason to introduce the rules to discourage players from RPing. But it's not RPing anymore if you do it for the "fun". You haven't been ingame you havent seen what has been happening lately. Atleast 3 shootouts a day in Los Santos. I dont mean that 1 criminal shoot at cops, usually its like 3-4 shooting with AK's/SNIPERS, and ofcourse when thats too boring, a certain person brings out a RPG to make it more "fun". Does that happen in Los Angeles daily? Im sure if it would the city would be under seige, national guard deployed and Trump would be building a wall around it.

Again, no criminal wants to go to jail. Maybe if you tried to introduce RP within the prision instead of taking away from the rp that those criminals can do outside, you would see the result you wish.
But this way is easier, less work and and solves the "problem" you have within a day of posting to the forums.

No criminal wants to go to jail? So they rather lose their life than go to jail, yes? If that's the case then I've missunderstood the whole roleplaying in this server completely wrong. I thought life comes first. They don't want to go to jail? - I have a solution, dont spend your time in public areas & provoking cops - Change your identity, stat transfer a name change, change your outfit. Keep yourself off the grid.
Like really.. I know the PD isn't perfect right now, but its all we have. I myself have only played illegal alts and I dont get how this is changing anything to my playstyle. I rather take the arrest for owning a illegal firearm than risk my own life, because I rather spend 24 hours in a jail than risk getting killed.

Also every single illegal character can make a CK app on some officer so why are you saying its one sided? If you want anyone CKd make a CK app with a valid reason and it may happen.
 
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I_Am_Train

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Are you really telling me its hard to get weapons for illegals?
I never said that at all, I said its harder for criminals to source these weapons than it is for PD. In PD you go on your character /duty and booms you have your weapons.
Criminals must first have the money, then find either Big J at the correct time (While being in an illegal faction) or a player who is selling, make the transaction (without getting robbed), transport the illegal goods safely (as cops will search your car for any reason) and store these weapons in a safe place (getting robbed is quite common, I should know I done most of it).
Once you have said weapons you must then considder your ammo count, when to use them (Trying to make CK sits avoidable) and always find new ways to hide them from PD or thieves.

Most of them have 20 M4 and 100 ammopacks in their safe
This is an issue that was brought on by the staff, not the players. Bringing in Vpoints to buy guns. You are literally the only person that has the power to change how hoarding weapons, vehicles and interiors happens in the server. So please, spare us the BS. You and your staff (past and present) made the rules that players today play by. If you dont like how shit goes down, then its time you starting looking at the rules ye all created instead of blaming players. No one has been jailed or banned for hoarding, so it must be okay by the rules of the server.

How come that every single illegal have atleast 1 V16 Sultan and PD only V12 Cruisers
I agree, having V12 and V16 engines in the game is a silly idea and was only created to increase donations and Vpoint purchase back in the early days, it has gotten out of hand and again, you are the only person with the power to deal with it.
But at the end of the day, the people who dont have PD alts worked for these engines, some paying with IRL money through donations, others spending hours in game to work up the money to buy these pieces of shit. The PD doesnt even have a buget, these cars are spawned in for the PD. furthermore showing evidence that the PD have it easy.

Damages, YES, you are right every single PD alt currently made PD alt becuase they didn't want to pay that $250 in insurance. -_- That takes most of the profit from criminals, I feel bad for them.
Lets not forget the 1.5k speed fines on the cameras EACH TIME
or the speeding tickets from being pulled over, which I dont believe cops get
or the Cost of living
or the cost of the vehicles stated above
or the cost of buying weapons for criminals as stated above
or the cost of buying the equipment to get drugs



been ingame you havent seen what has been happening lately.
I came back from the dead to have a look at whats been going on and from what I can see there is fuck all. You want an RP server that doesnt involve staff creating RP for their players, you want a playerbase, but dont want them to do the things that they dont do in real life, if I wanted to open a burger shop I would buy a burger shop simulator on Steam, but why the fuck would I do it on MTARP, the scripts dont demand any incentive for players to come into contact with this type of rp. You have a server which gives guns in various ways and yet you expect people not to use them...
If you put some thought into your week you could plan out some event to alter peoples thinking of RP on the server or at least stop some shooting for an hour, but this takes effort and MTARP aint good with effort

Does that happen in Los Angeles daily? Im sure if it would the city would be under seige, national guard deployed and Trump would be building a wall around it.
Of course this doesnt happen in real life, its a video game...
But if it did happen in real life, yes there would be marshal law I assume, thats a great idea Hopzz, heres another one:
Try fucking implementing these ideas, instead of creating new rules to fuck people over into complete boredom. Why dont you take this idea, put it to your staff, build up a good PD and implement it? I would bet my ballock that players would much rather be fucked in an RP way than getting fucked on the forums.

No criminal wants to go to jail? So they rather lose their life than go to jail, yes? If that's the case then I've missunderstood the whole roleplaying in this server completely wrong. I thought life comes first. They don't want to go to jail? - I have a solution, dont spend your time in public areas & provoking cops - Change your identity, stat transfer a name change, change your outfit. Keep yourself off the grid.
Theres a very simple solution to that problem: Remove stat transfers, if you cannot transfer you money, vehicles and interiors to another character then you will have a server that values each character.
Seeing as your the only person with the power to do so I would be eager to hear your response to that suggestion.

Like really.. I know the PD isn't perfect right now, but its all we have. I myself have only played illegal alts and I dont get how this is changing anything to my playstyle. I rather take the arrest for owning a illegal firearm than risk my own life, because I rather spend 24 hours in a jail than risk getting killed.
How can you give a fair an unbias opinion on the matter when you havent even tried to play as the type of character your defending (How can a community manager never have been a cop???). Unfortunately we are all not the moral ambasitor that you are and furthermore, many peoples main alt is their criminal character. Most of us cannot go on admin duty, tp out of jail and just be on duty until the timer expires.
 
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f6rza

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and ofcourse when thats too boring, a certain person brings out a RPG to make it more "fun". Does that happen in Los Angeles daily? Im sure if it would the city would be under seige, national guard deployed and Trump would be building a wall around it.

just say my name next time bro no need to sneak diss. i dont feel like responding to this on forums tho im more of a discord guy.
 

hopzzz

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Uh.. The guns have been a problem but there is nothing to do anymore it has to gone too far from making guns disappear from shops etcetra. Everyone already has them and will have them in the future, but just make it so they don't use it the way they want it.

V12 & V16s are indeed the only reason this server is still alive. They are NONRP, but they are what people enjoy. Im not gonna change anything towards that. Everyone has fair chances on that. Has always been like that and will be in the future.

Yes criminals have taxes and everything, but they have chosen to be in that sort of life and they have to deal with it. They will buy what they can afford nothing more. If taxes are too high, then maybe don't buy that many vehicles & properties?
Speeding tickets - Currently trying to figure out the problem, since I have not raise the prices or change anything to it I have no idea why it was done. Whenever you speed in front of the camera you get ticketed.
I think the high speeding tickets should've been lowered by now. Will look into it.

Since when does staff create RP for players? I can agree the scripts aren't that good but I think its enough to make passive RP. Burger shop wasn't the best example because you're right because food pretty much doesn't have any use in MTARP.
Tho you can open night clubs, start a casino business, start an enterprise to offer events to people.
How can staff do it, when there are 4 tickets at minimum coming in a day because of players doing something they think is fun but the other party does not agree. Players can do it all by themselves, but like why would they if its more fun to have a shootouts etcetra.

If you think I made this rule to fuck people out of boredom, then you are wrong. I simply made this rule to lower the amount of shootouts we are having right now. Criminals do not give a shit about PD, because they know that LEO can't do shit. They can shoot them from far every single time LEO tries to do anything.

You really think stat transfers is better idea than Wanted Criminal? I will never do it. That would bring out much, much bigger drama that we are having right now. If you tell that CK is so easy for people they can just stat transfer then why does this rule care at all? You can just continue how you were playing and start making stat transfers everytime you get CKd.

I may have been an officer, but I'm not sure if I've ever had a shootout before on a PD alt. Because the time when I was a PD the ticket was everything to keep them for speeding/reckless driving. You pretty much said when I got arrested then the next second I went on admin duty and tp'd myself out? Next time get your facts straight before saying it out loud, wouldn't make yourself a fool. I got arrested, what I did was hop on my Hex alt and started playing on there. Arrest is an arrest. I'd still rather let this character stay in jail for few hours than lose the character.

It is starting to feel like this rule isnt favoring nor PD or Criminals. I will see what other options we do have and will make a poll, because there is no way I'm letting it stay like it was. I dont think its okay getting tickets for the same reason multiple times a day. Something must be changed.


"Build a good PD" - Ofcourse I will just go pick up a CoP like JohnC, Tor or Jose like they are groceries. We will have to make do what we have. Times are changing and for me it looks like older players think they can get away with anything because they know everyone/"BEEN HERE SINCE 2012" is the main reason I've heard lately. I couldn't give a ratsass If you joined here yesterday or 7 years ago.

I will close the thread for further discussion, but all of you made your point and something has to be changed.
 
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